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he didn't work for susan rice. we don't know what she knew about security. spinning a story afterwards. jay carney, how credulous they are about the story. carney, the highly politicized issue. not political if you ask the administration to explain what happened. what happened during the hours? what about the solution is that as a close advisor to the president on terrorism, what was the president engaged in, in the seven hours in what did brennan know? what did he tell the president? were orders >> i were they carried out? there is so much unknown here. i'm not surprised we have let go the only suspect. we know the leader of the attack was a certain, katala. seen a few days later in a coffee shop outside benghazi. he remains unmolested to benghazi today. the administration wants to pretend it's political. it's not. it's to seek out what happened. >> bret: the other thing that this potentially does in the context of this hearing on brennan is open up the door to al-qaeda. the strength of al-qaeda in the region. strength that perhaps it's stronger than the ad
he didn't work for susan rice. we don't know what she knew about security. spinning a story afterwards. jay carney, how credulous they are about the story. carney, the highly politicized issue. not political if you ask the administration to explain what happened. what happened during the hours? what about the solution is that as a close advisor to the president on terrorism, what was the president engaged in, in the seven hours in what did brennan know? what did he tell the president? were...
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ambassador to the united nations is susan rice. you know, again, i could go through the list. this president has appointed -- has made two appointments to the supreme court both of them women. i think that his commitment to -- >> do you think it's an unfair charge? >> i think that the record speaks for itself. >> the record does speak for itself, doesn't it? joining me now for our daily fix, chris alissa, msnbc contributor managing editor of post politics.com, msnbc's white house correspondent kristen welker and washington post opinion columnist ruth marcus. ruth, i got to start with you because of the headline writers on your column -- >> thank you very much. copy desk. >> the headline was? >> binders full of women. >> beaninders full of women. what is going on here? that is the question that a lot of people are asking. >> it doesn't look so attractive. no disrespect to the looks of it. men involved. i am not a fan of bean counting and counting up numbers of women and numbers of minorities, but it is striking and it is disconcerting and it is disappointing to see in the big f
ambassador to the united nations is susan rice. you know, again, i could go through the list. this president has appointed -- has made two appointments to the supreme court both of them women. i think that his commitment to -- >> do you think it's an unfair charge? >> i think that the record speaks for itself. >> the record does speak for itself, doesn't it? joining me now for our daily fix, chris alissa, msnbc contributor managing editor of post politics.com, msnbc's white...
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you know, he backed away from the susan rice pick. he gave in on taxing the top income earners at the rate he wanted. and so far he's really just tiptoed kind of cautiously around gun control. so this a confident obama based on the agenda you're seeing or a caution one? >> reporter: focusing on foreign policy, i think you'd have to say this is a confident president obama right now. just consider the selections of chuck hagel, john kerry, even though it's not susan rice, but also john brennan compared to four years ago. jim jones did not work out. there was secretary gates at defense that was brought over from the bush administration before him. and so i think in many ways this sort of demonstrates that the president feels he'll put his imprint on foreign policy going forward from him. hillary clinton a choice that some may have viewed as a concession of secretary of state and worked out well for both sides. >> david, you know, chuck hagel has gotten some opposition from the left and the right. do you expect in a second term now electe
you know, he backed away from the susan rice pick. he gave in on taxing the top income earners at the rate he wanted. and so far he's really just tiptoed kind of cautiously around gun control. so this a confident obama based on the agenda you're seeing or a caution one? >> reporter: focusing on foreign policy, i think you'd have to say this is a confident president obama right now. just consider the selections of chuck hagel, john kerry, even though it's not susan rice, but also john...
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declined to have it over susan rice. what was your view of her treatment in this whole process? >> i think it was not handled well. one of the problems with ambassador rice and chuck hagel, these signals come out saying this is who we are thinking about and you are left out there to dangle for weeks. well, if this is who you are going to nominate you nominate them and let's get on with the process. >> you feel like the president hung her out to dry? >> in both the susan rice case and chuck hagel case, if they were sure that is who they were going to nominate, i think it should have been done promptly but all these sort of test nominations that they send out there, i think just cause the media to naturally focus on it and potential opponents of that nomination just pile on. >> outgoing secretary of state hillary clinton, she is facing pressure to testify on the benghazi matter. do you think that benghazi episode is a blot on her record as secretary of state? do you think it will affect her political future? >> i don't think so. i don't know what she knew about it or didn't know a
declined to have it over susan rice. what was your view of her treatment in this whole process? >> i think it was not handled well. one of the problems with ambassador rice and chuck hagel, these signals come out saying this is who we are thinking about and you are left out there to dangle for weeks. well, if this is who you are going to nominate you nominate them and let's get on with the process. >> you feel like the president hung her out to dry? >> in both the susan rice...
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we thought it was susan rice for secretary of state. not surprising for a president who won an election to decide to pick one or two big personnel fights. that happens in politics. think think -- the white house calculation, jim's dead right about the iraq war. if we have to re-debate the iraq war, they're on the high ground for that one and hearing criticism he's soft. normally when a democrat does that, they want someone that's tough because the criticism historically is they're soft on defense and here's a republican choice labeled as soft, soft on israel and soft coming to iran sanctions. john mccain and other conservatives say soft with the end of the iraq war and the president's comfortable with him and comfortable with the new cia chief. the president doesn't have to face re-election. this is the second term a different set of calculations and thinks he has work to do, diplomacy. they think they'll win in the end. >> i want to ask you about hagel's israel comments because he made some pretty pointed comments about israel and goin
we thought it was susan rice for secretary of state. not surprising for a president who won an election to decide to pick one or two big personnel fights. that happens in politics. think think -- the white house calculation, jim's dead right about the iraq war. if we have to re-debate the iraq war, they're on the high ground for that one and hearing criticism he's soft. normally when a democrat does that, they want someone that's tough because the criticism historically is they're soft on...
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so susan rice i think will continue to do the job the way she's done it. i suspect if tom donelan ever moves on that susan rice would be a leading contender for that job and have the ability to do what tom donelan has done, which is to consolidate an enormous amount of authority and decision making. >> is there an emerging-- you may have touched on this at the top, david-- obama doctrine that might come out of this next four years? >> well, if the doctrine in the first four years, charlie, was that the united states will act unilaterally when its direct interests are affected-- think of the bin laden raid-- but that it will only act in concert with others when its interests are far more general-- think of the libya invasion where the president insisted that nato and the arab league take the lead, or think about syria where everyone has been pretty well paralyzed for the past year and a half nearly two years now-- then the president has insisted that the u.s. will not act as the policemen of the world. and when i suggested that that light footprint strategy
so susan rice i think will continue to do the job the way she's done it. i suspect if tom donelan ever moves on that susan rice would be a leading contender for that job and have the ability to do what tom donelan has done, which is to consolidate an enormous amount of authority and decision making. >> is there an emerging-- you may have touched on this at the top, david-- obama doctrine that might come out of this next four years? >> well, if the doctrine in the first four years,...
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susan rice is actually more hawkish than john kerry. she's much more in line with their foreign policy views than he is. so it's sort of ironic that in getting the guy they wanted they got a less interventionist policy. >> you're already in your second hour. i wish we had more time. >> make it happen. it's your show. do what you want to do. >>> next, the worst governor in america. if you're living in his state, you know exactly who i'm talking about. stay with us. ♪ [ washer and dryer sounds ] for the things you can't wash, freshen them with febreze. ♪ because febreze doesn't just cover up odors... it penetrates deep into fabrics to eliminate odors and leaves a light, fresh scent. just another way febreze helps you breathe happy. living with moderate to, semeans living with pain.is it could also mean living with joint damage. help relieve the pain and stop the damage with humira, adalimumab. for many adults with moderate to severe ra, humira is clinically proven to help relieve pain and stop joint damage. so you can treat more than
susan rice is actually more hawkish than john kerry. she's much more in line with their foreign policy views than he is. so it's sort of ironic that in getting the guy they wanted they got a less interventionist policy. >> you're already in your second hour. i wish we had more time. >> make it happen. it's your show. do what you want to do. >>> next, the worst governor in america. if you're living in his state, you know exactly who i'm talking about. stay with us. ♪ [...
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rice. >> absolutely. >> some of those people were silent about susan rice on the left. so i think i have pains for the right and the left on this. i think the real issue today is, you know, if you look at the president's cabinet and those people who are closest to him, those people who have the most influence, someone like a valerie jarrett, i mean, i think that speaks volumes for how this president -- what this president's vision is about and how he expects to execute on that vision. >> yes, indeed. karen, if i may, in fact, to both of you, i want to show you a picture of the white house press corps who was grilling the spokesman about diversity. >> it is the truth that in most news rooms in this town the picture is going to look more like that than the kind of diversity we would want to see. again, that's why i keep coming back to this point. there is a bigger issue here. the bigger issue, and that's pasht of this why president's policies matter so much, it's not just about who is in the white house but also what policies are being passed that ensure that pathways are
rice. >> absolutely. >> some of those people were silent about susan rice on the left. so i think i have pains for the right and the left on this. i think the real issue today is, you know, if you look at the president's cabinet and those people who are closest to him, those people who have the most influence, someone like a valerie jarrett, i mean, i think that speaks volumes for how this president -- what this president's vision is about and how he expects to execute on that...
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, which is they areotology have this fight, the issue with susan rice is benghazi. that ties back to the president and hillary clinton. there is -- it's not a perfect scenario. whereas here it's you're opposing hagel and that has nothing do with me. >> susan rice went to the hill, and it did not go well. there was some sort of a dry run, and it did not go well, and there's some sense that she took herself out of the nomination as well. we can't with stand this. how much do you think hagel's comments about richard hormel, i believe, who was going to serve as the u.s. ambassador to lucks emberg and questioned his sexuality. that drew ayre from the left. chad griffin from the human rights campaign said the -- >> accept the apology. >> he has accepted the apology, as has hormel on his facebook page. you know, you mentioned that he is facing, you know, criticism from both the left and the right. >> yeah. >> how much do you think that stands in the way of a confirmation? >> you know, interestingly enough today you have a full page ad from log cabin republicans opposing ch
, which is they areotology have this fight, the issue with susan rice is benghazi. that ties back to the president and hillary clinton. there is -- it's not a perfect scenario. whereas here it's you're opposing hagel and that has nothing do with me. >> susan rice went to the hill, and it did not go well. there was some sort of a dry run, and it did not go well, and there's some sense that she took herself out of the nomination as well. we can't with stand this. how much do you think...
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if he picks susan rice? guest: there was an interview, and i think that had those simultaneously been going on, susan rice would have deflected some of the attention. other nominations, like john brennan, which is controversial in some comment -- in some quarters, and john kerry -- i was the on the want to have written about this two years ago, because i had conversations with them about my own view is that at the time we will still pursuing -- part of the defense department, and trying to purge them from military service. this is one that they were attempting to sort out. it had not been repealed yet, and hagel made his opinion very clear. i have since talked to him about this. and the ambassador has greatly accepted his apology, and in addition, senator hagel says he strongly supports lgbt families, and he has gone beyond this, like on abortion, and one of the things we do not talk about is violence towards women and women in uniform in the military, rapes at the academy, and a senator passed an amendment
if he picks susan rice? guest: there was an interview, and i think that had those simultaneously been going on, susan rice would have deflected some of the attention. other nominations, like john brennan, which is controversial in some comment -- in some quarters, and john kerry -- i was the on the want to have written about this two years ago, because i had conversations with them about my own view is that at the time we will still pursuing -- part of the defense department, and trying to...
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would have done it again were it not for republican opposition to susan rice. and so i think you'd have to be really fair about how we paint this portrait of what's happening. >> okay. i think those are all fair points. but, rosa, one thing that strikes me is when you look at any organization, let's take the white house, the cabinet. there's all kinds of positions that are quote unquote management. there's more vps in most companies than there are mds and it keeps going up. when you look at the fence, the cia and state and treasury, there's no women. now, to charles' point he was going to try to nominate susan rice and he had hillary clinton there but does he need a woman in one of those positions? >> i sure think it would be nice to see a woman in one of those positions. i think charles' point, it's obviously fair that almost half of the presidential appointees overall have been women, but when you look at the top, you see a really different story and this is not unique to the government. this is true in fortune 500 corporations. this is true in education. no
would have done it again were it not for republican opposition to susan rice. and so i think you'd have to be really fair about how we paint this portrait of what's happening. >> okay. i think those are all fair points. but, rosa, one thing that strikes me is when you look at any organization, let's take the white house, the cabinet. there's all kinds of positions that are quote unquote management. there's more vps in most companies than there are mds and it keeps going up. when you look...
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if he had picked susan rice? guest: i think that is the case it would be. it could be too tough fights. i helped host one of the meetings were lindsey graham and john mccain made very clear their views on susan rice. the moderator cut the president's response and have those simultaneously been going on, susan rice would have deflected a lot of the attention from this hagel nomination. now other nominations, like john brennan, which is controversial in some quarters, and john kerry are getting less attention. i would like to comment on the gay rights. i was the only journalist who happened to have written about chuck hagel's views on gay issues years ago because i had conversations with him about my own views that at the time we were still pursuing translators working in intelligence agencies and the defense department and trying to purge them from military service. i had a discussion with him about that and about and don't ask, don't tell. they were attempting to sort out how you would sort through. hagel made clear his support for repealing don't ask, don'
if he had picked susan rice? guest: i think that is the case it would be. it could be too tough fights. i helped host one of the meetings were lindsey graham and john mccain made very clear their views on susan rice. the moderator cut the president's response and have those simultaneously been going on, susan rice would have deflected a lot of the attention from this hagel nomination. now other nominations, like john brennan, which is controversial in some quarters, and john kerry are getting...
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i think that appointment should go to susan rice for what he did to her. he never supported an african-american. he did the same thing to shirley sarratt. i consider obama a weak president. he has no fight in him. >> bill: i appreciate the comment, derek. i'm sorry that he decided not to fight for susan rice. but i think he learned his lesson. he certainly is going to fight for chuck hagel. he made that very clear yesterday. the white house has launched a "full court press" to borrow a phrase. and i think you're going to see -- i think you'll see chuck hagel confirmed don't you igor? >> key thing is you saw apec sit this one out. they're not weighing in. that's a big help from israel's side of this entire controversy. i think they'll be able to hold it. >> bill: it will be tough for republicans to vote against a republican war hero american patriot. >> i was going to say john mccain can bluster all he wants now. when it comes down to it, he's going to look like an ass if he votes against him. >> wouldn't be the first time. >> good point. >> bill: you peopl
i think that appointment should go to susan rice for what he did to her. he never supported an african-american. he did the same thing to shirley sarratt. i consider obama a weak president. he has no fight in him. >> bill: i appreciate the comment, derek. i'm sorry that he decided not to fight for susan rice. but i think he learned his lesson. he certainly is going to fight for chuck hagel. he made that very clear yesterday. the white house has launched a "full court press" to...
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nice guy and hs going to have things his way and having seen susan rice, who was widely speculated to be his choice for secretary of state, to see her have to withdraw her potential nomination, the president, i think, decided he's going to make it stick and make the republicans choke on it when it comes to chuck hagel. >> megyn: now, brennan, he's, you know, going to take over for petraeus at the cia and he's had a long history at the cia, apparently some feathers were ruffled and some weren't, whatever. but the thing about brennan,'s been in an important position, top advisor on counterterrorism to the president and he's been very absent on benghazi, on what happened to our ambassador on 9/11 of 12 when he was killed, the ambassador and three others. unlike susan rice ultimately didn't get the nod for the next secretary of state position because she did go out there on boss's orders and say stuff about benghazi, brennan didn't say anything about benghazi, does that help or hurt him now? >> probably helps him. look, he's going to have -- for mr. brennan he will have a difficult couple
nice guy and hs going to have things his way and having seen susan rice, who was widely speculated to be his choice for secretary of state, to see her have to withdraw her potential nomination, the president, i think, decided he's going to make it stick and make the republicans choke on it when it comes to chuck hagel. >> megyn: now, brennan, he's, you know, going to take over for petraeus at the cia and he's had a long history at the cia, apparently some feathers were ruffled and some...
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i'm very suspicious that the story that susan rice told was a political story three weeks before the election where she said al-qaeda was decimated. that is hot true. she said the consulate was significantly and substantially secured. now, we know it was a death trap. i want to know why the cia and the fbi couldn't talk to each other about survivor interviews held by the fbi to make sure we wouldn't have made a mistake that it was based on a video. the questions i'm asking are reason and and i'm going to insist on an answer. >> shannon: and we will be watching along with you as our viewers and americans across the country want the same answers. great to have you visit with us. thank you so much. >> shannon: small business other thans slightly more optimistic in 2012. the index rose half a point to 88. still one of the lowest ratings in the history. 648 businesses surveyed ranked taxes regulations and poor sales as the top three business problems and 70% say right now is a bad time for them to think about expanding. stick around. we'll be right back. s wrong ♪ ♪ i don't wanna be r
i'm very suspicious that the story that susan rice told was a political story three weeks before the election where she said al-qaeda was decimated. that is hot true. she said the consulate was significantly and substantially secured. now, we know it was a death trap. i want to know why the cia and the fbi couldn't talk to each other about survivor interviews held by the fbi to make sure we wouldn't have made a mistake that it was based on a video. the questions i'm asking are reason and and...
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rice? and now they're trying to sour the test balloon that is chuck hagel. we're just a couple hours away from the fact that he will be put up for this appointment. doesn't it look funny to have the right kind of eating their young, eating their own from a position that they would like one of their own to be in? >> you know, i don't know that they're really itching for a fight here. it just seems like whenever the president floats one of these names out there we have everybody fanning out their turkey feathers, strutting around the barnyard like they have something to say about it early on. when cooler heads prevail and if we can get to a senate confirmation hearing, chuck hagel will obviously have to answer some questions that republicans are concerned about. actually, on your network this morning on "the daily rundown" with chuck todd i think dan sino did a fabulous job explaining a couple of the votes we were talking about against israel and against some of the middle eastern issues we c
rice? and now they're trying to sour the test balloon that is chuck hagel. we're just a couple hours away from the fact that he will be put up for this appointment. doesn't it look funny to have the right kind of eating their young, eating their own from a position that they would like one of their own to be in? >> you know, i don't know that they're really itching for a fight here. it just seems like whenever the president floats one of these names out there we have everybody fanning out...
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he was willing to take on susan rice for a while. that one ended up getting too difficult and she stepped aside but the president's got an attitude of i've been vindicated by the election and the record in the first term. i got bin laden, i wound down wars unpopular and he has a -- is looking at republicans and saying, you guys were smack talking me for a couple of years and you had the tea party in 2010 and you thought i was back on my heels but i've just been vindicated by the voters in the election with 51% and i'm going to try to impose my will as much as i can. >> chuck hagel and john kerry, the politico today, their headline story, points to how formidable these two might be for many reasons but, again, both being vietnam veterans and how this could with the president's agenda and strategy set the stage for wars in the future or the avoid answer of military footprint on the ground and the years ahead, john. >> well, i think to some degree the latter, tamron, is the relevant point here. the term vietnam veteran brings with it th
he was willing to take on susan rice for a while. that one ended up getting too difficult and she stepped aside but the president's got an attitude of i've been vindicated by the election and the record in the first term. i got bin laden, i wound down wars unpopular and he has a -- is looking at republicans and saying, you guys were smack talking me for a couple of years and you had the tea party in 2010 and you thought i was back on my heels but i've just been vindicated by the voters in the...
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you have people wondering why not take up the fight for susan rice and how are the dynamics different? >> as chuck todd pointed out, there are as many as ten different democratic senators opposed to chuck hagel and it's going to be up to the white house to wage a significant campaign using some democrats like senator jack reid from rhode island to win them over. the white house probably decided that they needed to go ahead and fight for chuck hagel in this matter. i've heard from the white house that the susan rice and john kerry were pretty much tied folks going in to that state department gig. president obama going with john kerry but you are seeing the white house going for a full throttled fight to get and to win chuck hagel and not going to be easy. >> mark murray, thank you so much. happy new year. see you tomorrow. >> thanks. >>> another group that's voiced opposition to chuck hagel's nomination is gay rights activists. at issue, comments hagel made in 1998 about james hor mel, president bill clinton's nomi e nominee. he was called openly aggressively gay and called it an inhib
you have people wondering why not take up the fight for susan rice and how are the dynamics different? >> as chuck todd pointed out, there are as many as ten different democratic senators opposed to chuck hagel and it's going to be up to the white house to wage a significant campaign using some democrats like senator jack reid from rhode island to win them over. the white house probably decided that they needed to go ahead and fight for chuck hagel in this matter. i've heard from the...
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then have you susan rice and the whole benghazi thing. then you have secretary of state hillary clinton which both sides of the political aisle have been pleased with her job, but then there was the benghazi thing. >> so you are saying he has done his women's business and now he is on to men? that makes m sick. >> okay. i am just giving you an example. you are the queen of examples. liz, are you surprised how much they chased the female vote and now he talked on the side like something you would toss aside perhaps a package of delicious goods? >> i was kind of surprised. >> moving right along, listen, i'm all for women getting the powers they deserve. >> boo! boo! >> but i want them to get it on their own merits and because of their ideas and not for being women. >> this is what happens when you stop talking about americans and start dividing it up by orientation gender and skin color. it bites back, the party is thinking it is kind of in a way hurting from it. >> do you agree with everything i just said? >> every word of it, greg. as far
then have you susan rice and the whole benghazi thing. then you have secretary of state hillary clinton which both sides of the political aisle have been pleased with her job, but then there was the benghazi thing. >> so you are saying he has done his women's business and now he is on to men? that makes m sick. >> okay. i am just giving you an example. you are the queen of examples. liz, are you surprised how much they chased the female vote and now he talked on the side like...
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>> andrea: so it's not hillary clinton's or susan rice's or president obama. nobody's? >> kimberly: the ambassador. >> bob: i said she said it was her responsibility. >> dana: the point is -- >> bob: it might have been the responsibility of somebody in the embassy not telling the ambassador go to benghazi. it's unsafe. >> andrea: so now we blame foreign service agent agents ine embassy. >> bob: you blame everybody else. >> andrea: i have a hard time. buying what you -- >> bob: it was all her fault. >> andrea: i'm not picking up what you are putting down. she is the secretary of state. in charge of the diplomatic affairs. >> bob: how many embassies -- >> andrea: they ignored the warnings. >> bob: how many embassies -- >> andrea: a lot. that was in grave danger. coming up, the king of tabloid tv jerry springer says the show is a true picture of reality and more democratic than politics today. so does he have a point? or a perfect example of american culture in decline? that's ahead. on "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> eric: welcome back. does it seem every time you turn on
>> andrea: so it's not hillary clinton's or susan rice's or president obama. nobody's? >> kimberly: the ambassador. >> bob: i said she said it was her responsibility. >> dana: the point is -- >> bob: it might have been the responsibility of somebody in the embassy not telling the ambassador go to benghazi. it's unsafe. >> andrea: so now we blame foreign service agent agents ine embassy. >> bob: you blame everybody else. >> andrea: i have a hard...
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very much against susan rice. i find it hard to believe mccain's going to be against chuck hagel, given the kind of bonds that they have. >> chuck hagel was against john mccain in 2008. >> i'm not saying they weren't against each other on policy matters. we're talking about a confirmation here. >> didn't he endorse barack obama? >> i think he spoke favorably of him. >> i don't think he endorsed him. >> unofficial surrogate. >> again, this is a confirmation hearing where the senate dgives deference to the president. mcconnell, around this "politico" story with quotes from mcconnell's farewell speech to hagel where he points out that hagel saved mcconnell's brother in vietnam, so we're not really sure. and singing his praises. >> that's only in the movie version. >> it's going to be hard for mcconnell to oppose him vocally here. >> that kind of sums everything up because if you watched yesterday's "meet the press," i mean, all this talk last week about the president's personality being difficult and unapproachable a
very much against susan rice. i find it hard to believe mccain's going to be against chuck hagel, given the kind of bonds that they have. >> chuck hagel was against john mccain in 2008. >> i'm not saying they weren't against each other on policy matters. we're talking about a confirmation here. >> didn't he endorse barack obama? >> i think he spoke favorably of him. >> i don't think he endorsed him. >> unofficial surrogate. >> again, this is a...
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the president is considering a new job for ambassador to the united nations susan rice. may become the next national security advisor if all the appointments are confirmed. we will have carried out an almost total revamping of his national security team. >> confident that judge will be an outstanding secretary of defense and brennan will be an outstanding director of the central intelligence agency. may understand that we are only successful because of the folks up and down the line in these respective institutions. the folks on the ground who are oftentimes putting their lives at risk for us. and oftentimes removed from washington and politics. lou: some members of the party expressing consternation about his election because of controversial statements on the israeli reluctance. among the reason for that concern and in some cases outright opposition. seven of the 12 republican members of the armed services committee expressing some opposition with at least three senators already saying they will vote no. senator david fisher saying, i will be a no-vote and on the floor
the president is considering a new job for ambassador to the united nations susan rice. may become the next national security advisor if all the appointments are confirmed. we will have carried out an almost total revamping of his national security team. >> confident that judge will be an outstanding secretary of defense and brennan will be an outstanding director of the central intelligence agency. may understand that we are only successful because of the folks up and down the line in...
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not the way that they fought for susan rice. they did not fight for susan rice. they're going to fight for chuck hagel. the stories have come out already. i find it sort of interesting that they're ready for the fight. they got all of the stuff out there early. it's gone. it's past. but they're willing to fight for hagel. >> this is obviously an issue where the president his advisers, the white house has decided this is where we want to spend our political capital. i don't think it is a fight they would have waited if they didn't think they could win it. do they not think they have the votes to get him confirmed through what will be entertaining confirmation hearings. i will be sure to bring the popcorn. >> this is a winning fight for them. susan rice might not have been a winning fight. they might have filibustered susan rice. that would have been deemed a loss for them. so they floated hagel out. most important thing here, democrats getting -- barney frank criticizing hagel for his remark in 1998 about homosexuals. he's backtracking. senator charles sumer certa
not the way that they fought for susan rice. they did not fight for susan rice. they're going to fight for chuck hagel. the stories have come out already. i find it sort of interesting that they're ready for the fight. they got all of the stuff out there early. it's gone. it's past. but they're willing to fight for hagel. >> this is obviously an issue where the president his advisers, the white house has decided this is where we want to spend our political capital. i don't think it is a...
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>> andrea: so it's not hillary clinton's or susan rice's or president obama. nobody's? >> kimberly: the ambassador. >> bob: i said she said it was her responsibility. >> dana: the point is -- >> bob: it might have been the responsibility of somebody in the embassy not telling the ambassador go to benghazi. it's unsafe. >> andrea: so now we blame foreign service agent agents ine embassy. >> bob: you blame everybody else. >> andrea: i have a hard time. buying what you -- >> bob: it was all her fault. >> andrea: i'm not picking up what you are putting down. she is the secretary of state. in charge of the diplomatic affairs. >> bob: how many embassies -- >> andrea: they ignored the warnings. >> bob: how many embassies -- >> andrea: a lot. that was in grave danger. coming up, the king of tabloid tv jerry springer says the show is a true picture of reality and more democratic than politics today. so does he have a point? or a perfect example of american culture in decline? that's ahead. on "the five." ♪ ♪ uhh, it's next month, actually... eddie continues singing: to ticke
>> andrea: so it's not hillary clinton's or susan rice's or president obama. nobody's? >> kimberly: the ambassador. >> bob: i said she said it was her responsibility. >> dana: the point is -- >> bob: it might have been the responsibility of somebody in the embassy not telling the ambassador go to benghazi. it's unsafe. >> andrea: so now we blame foreign service agent agents ine embassy. >> bob: you blame everybody else. >> andrea: i have a hard...
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. >> john: before we go to break do we expect a fight with susan rice. he must have known that this would have come with chuck hagel. >> yes, joe mentioned this. this will drive a wedge in the republican party. there is not only a realist perspective in the republican party in terms of foreign policy and a neo-con one but there is a growing isolationist in the republican party and this fracture is about republican coalition. in that regard i think there is an opportunity for a fight. at the end of the day this appeals to sort of i think in many respects president obama's favorite constituency, which is the beltway media. this idea bipartisanship and this notion of having a republican sort of daddy figure in some respects filling this role is very appeal to go part of the beltway media. so i think this is--to the extent that this is going to be a fight, i think it's one that he's looking forward to. >> john: if hagel is the daddy figure then the nominee is the cheney figure. the c.i.a. boss is the same as the old c.i.a. boss coming up next. [ male announc
. >> john: before we go to break do we expect a fight with susan rice. he must have known that this would have come with chuck hagel. >> yes, joe mentioned this. this will drive a wedge in the republican party. there is not only a realist perspective in the republican party in terms of foreign policy and a neo-con one but there is a growing isolationist in the republican party and this fracture is about republican coalition. in that regard i think there is an opportunity for a...
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we thought it might come over susan rice. it's now going to come over chuck hagel. he carried over george w. bush's defense secretary, bob gates, put his former rival at the state department. here is a guy who doesn't face re-election. he wants his team, people he's comfortable with. he wants people he's like-minded with and decided i'm going to have my guys in the second term. if i have to get a little bruised up to get them, i'll do it. >> their bond kind of goes back to iraq, being two senators who ended up opposing the war. and i think they became close. >> they traveled to iraq. >> don't forget they -- they traveled to the middle east together. and i think there's something else that if you talk to people in the administration, this is a president who believes that chuck hagel will not be intimidated by those generals. and that was very important, i remember, as barack obama went through the process of deciding what to do in afghanistan. he ended up going for the surge, but he went through this -- remember that whole long strategic review of afghanistan? one of
we thought it might come over susan rice. it's now going to come over chuck hagel. he carried over george w. bush's defense secretary, bob gates, put his former rival at the state department. here is a guy who doesn't face re-election. he wants his team, people he's comfortable with. he wants people he's like-minded with and decided i'm going to have my guys in the second term. if i have to get a little bruised up to get them, i'll do it. >> their bond kind of goes back to iraq, being two...
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ambassador susan rice. the fact is, secretary hillary clinton was the most prominent woman in the president's ka cabinet. she is being replaced by a man, senator kerry. as of now, there are fewer women in the mix. >> brianna, thanks very much. kate bolduan is here with more. what are you hearing about the timing? >> the timing in terms of the confirmation hearing, i'm told that the armed services committee hopes to consider hagel's nomination by the end of this month but simply schedulewise, it could be difficult because the senate isn't in session this week or next and when senators do return, it's customary for the nominee to have a period of time, a week, a couple weeks to meet with can committee members before and key senators before confirmation hearings begin. for more on a little bit of this, we'll go to tom foreman with a sense of what we can expect when those hearings are under way. tom, you're in a place that no one gets to go. >> that's right. here in our virtual center, we're going to talk about
ambassador susan rice. the fact is, secretary hillary clinton was the most prominent woman in the president's ka cabinet. she is being replaced by a man, senator kerry. as of now, there are fewer women in the mix. >> brianna, thanks very much. kate bolduan is here with more. what are you hearing about the timing? >> the timing in terms of the confirmation hearing, i'm told that the armed services committee hopes to consider hagel's nomination by the end of this month but simply...
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. >> susan rice who wanted to be looking for opportunity to implement a responsible agent to protect scenario that would succeed. so that's a whole section again, and how to become to intervene and why was is actually a good idea. the next question of course is the one everyone is talking about is where is libya headed next. you know, i think with regards to what happened in benghazi, it is still, i think one needs to take, regardless of all the chaos that is happening, to step back, go up several thousand feet and look at this process over a much longer period of time. we are still a year into this revolution. nobody really expected -- i think many libyans expected this is going to be a shorter and more pleasant experience than it has been an urban construct with a very -- at the same time, in my trips to libya over the last two years i've seen a remarkable story of people, people of ex-patriots have come back and drop everything, lucrative jobs in europe and states to help build infrastructure. the way in which the local elections were held in benghazi in may, it was excellent glor
. >> susan rice who wanted to be looking for opportunity to implement a responsible agent to protect scenario that would succeed. so that's a whole section again, and how to become to intervene and why was is actually a good idea. the next question of course is the one everyone is talking about is where is libya headed next. you know, i think with regards to what happened in benghazi, it is still, i think one needs to take, regardless of all the chaos that is happening, to step back, go...
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i mean this comes after susan rice's nomination was arguably pulled. people believe that the president wanted susan rice to be secretary of state, and she was making a very public effort to court senators up on capitol hill for that nomination. she withdrew her name herself, but it was believed that the president wanted her to be that nominee, at first. she wasn't. and this nominee, chuc chuck hailing was under fire from the start. it doesn't seem that the president wanted to pull this potential nomination and is ready for this fight. he will likely have the votes, jon. and it may be a bumpy ride to get there, but he'll likely get there. and how much political capitol it takes to get there is really the question on both of these nominations. at the end of the day, the presidents usually get who they want to have in their cab tphefplt it's cabinet. it's a rare event when they don't. it does happen up here in washington but for the most part they can usually get the votes. jon: even more rare when a nominee is a former senator. how about john bren an als
i mean this comes after susan rice's nomination was arguably pulled. people believe that the president wanted susan rice to be secretary of state, and she was making a very public effort to court senators up on capitol hill for that nomination. she withdrew her name herself, but it was believed that the president wanted her to be that nominee, at first. she wasn't. and this nominee, chuc chuck hailing was under fire from the start. it doesn't seem that the president wanted to pull this...
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you had susan rice, you've had all of these way out attacks on the attorney genric holder. are they trying this with hagel? why is it no matter what this president nominates, they find a reason to fight it. >> i think this is the next front, you know. they didn't do so well on the fiscal cliff. now they've got to find another partisan opening. i think it's a partisan attack. i think it's designed to help them raise money to strengthen their party's position from the mainstream position of the president. >> governor, when you look at john mccane, for example, john mccain says he has concerns about hagel's positions on national security issues today. but in 2006, when he was plotting a run for the presidency, mccain said i'd be honored to have chuck with me in any capacity. he'd make a great secretary of state. same john mccain. mitch mcconnell who says there will be tough questions for hagel. >>> is john mccain just a bitter man because president obama beat him and he's just bitter and keeps attacking whatever the president does and mitch mcconnell is still trying to live up
you had susan rice, you've had all of these way out attacks on the attorney genric holder. are they trying this with hagel? why is it no matter what this president nominates, they find a reason to fight it. >> i think this is the next front, you know. they didn't do so well on the fiscal cliff. now they've got to find another partisan opening. i think it's a partisan attack. i think it's designed to help them raise money to strengthen their party's position from the mainstream position of...
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they lost their minds over susan rice. they're doing it again. >> here is more from senator lindsey graham. i want to display this. >> i'll have a hard time voting for anybody to be secretary of defense who believes that the surge was a foreign policy blunder. i'll have a hard time supporting anybody for secretary of defense who believes that the iranians are misunderstood, we should just negotiate with them, not sanction them. >> they're really focusing in on some of the things that he has said in the past, including a guy slur over a decade ago. do these things matter in confirmation? >> first of all, lindsey graham is treated with a lot of respect as some kind of national security expert. but it is quite possible to be pro-israeli and also not for a rush to war with iran. it is not incompatible. in people in israel think it's quite legitimate to not want to go to war with iran. why that has become a it will news test for people like lindsey graham is not quite clear. chuck hagel, for being opposed to the surge, he voted
they lost their minds over susan rice. they're doing it again. >> here is more from senator lindsey graham. i want to display this. >> i'll have a hard time voting for anybody to be secretary of defense who believes that the surge was a foreign policy blunder. i'll have a hard time supporting anybody for secretary of defense who believes that the iranians are misunderstood, we should just negotiate with them, not sanction them. >> they're really focusing in on some of the...